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three dialogues-第25章

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incomplete; otherwise than upon your supposition  that Matter
{245} is an essential part of all corporeal things。 We both;
therefore; agree in this; that we perceive only sensible forms:
but herein we differ  you will have them to be empty
appearances; I; real beings。 In short; you do not trust your
senses; I do。

     。 You say you believe your senses; and seem to applaud
yourself that in this you agree with the vulgar。 According to
you; therefore; the true nature of a thing is discovered by the
senses。 If so; whence comes that disagreement? Why is not the
same figure; and other sensible qualities; perceived all manner
of ways? and why should we use a microscope the better to
discover the true nature of a body; if it were discoverable to
the naked eye?

     。 Strictly speaking; Hylas; we do not see the same
object that we feel; neither is the same object perceived by the
microscope which was by the naked eye。 But; in case every
variation was thought sufficient to constitute a new kind of
individual; the endless number of confusion of names would render
language impracticable。 Therefore; to avoid this; as well as
other inconveniences which are obvious upon a little thought; men
combine together several ideas; apprehended by divers senses; or
by the same sense at different times; or in different
circumstances; but observed; however; to have some connexion in
nature; either with respect to co…existence or succession; all
which they refer to one name; and consider as one thing。 Hence it
follows that when I examine; by my other senses; a thing I have
seen; it is not in order to understand better the same object
which I had perceived by sight; the object of one sense not being
perceived by the other senses。 And; when I look through a
microscope; it is not that I may perceive more clearly what I
perceived already with my bare eyes; the object perceived by the
glass being quite different from the former。 But; in both cases;
my aim is only to know what ideas are connected together; and the
more a man knows of the connexion of ideas; the more he is said
to know of the nature of things。 What; therefore; if our ideas
are variable; what if our senses are not in all circumstances
affected with the same appearances。 It will not thence follow
they are not to be trusted; or that they are inconsistent either
with themselves or anything else: except it be with your
preconceived notion of (I know not what) one single; unchanged;
unperceivable; real Nature; marked by each name。 Which prejudice
seems to have taken its rise from not rightly {246} understanding
the common language of men; speaking of several distinct ideas as
united into one thing by the mind。 And; indeed; there is cause to
suspect several erroneous conceits of the philosophers are owing
to the same original: while they began to build their schemes not
so much on notions as on words; which were framed by the vulgar;
merely for conveniency and dispatch in the common actions of
life; without any regard to speculation。

     。 Methinks I apprehend your meaning。

     。 It is your opinion the ideas we perceive by our
senses are not real things; but images or copies of them。 Our
knowledge; therefore; is no farther real than as our ideas are
the true  of those 。 But; as these
supposed originals are in themselves unknown; it is impossible to
know how far our ideas resemble them; or whether they resemble
them at all。 We cannot; therefore; be sure we have any real
knowledge。 Farther; as our ideas are perpetually varied; without
any change in the supposed real things; it necessarily follows
they cannot all be true copies of them: or; if some are and
others are not; it is impossible to distinguish the former from
the latter。 And this plunges us yet deeper in uncertainty。 Again;
when we consider the point; we cannot conceive how any idea; or
anything like an idea; should have an absolute existence out of a
mind: nor consequently; according to you; how there should be any
real thing in nature。 The result of ;all which is that we are
thrown into the most hopeless and abandoned scepticism。 Now; give
me leave to ask you; First; Whether your referring ideas to
certain absolutely existing unperceived substances; as their
originals; be not the source of all this scepticism? Secondly;
whether you are informed; either by sense or reason; of the
existence of those unknown originals? And; in case you are not;
whether it be not absurd to suppose them? Thirdly; Whether; upon
inquiry; you find there is anything distinctly conceived or meant
by the ? Lastly; Whether; the premises considered; it be not
the wisest way to follow nature; trust your senses; and; laying
aside all anxious thought about unknown natures or substances;
admit with the vulgar those for real things which are perceived
by the senses?

     。 For the present; I have no inclination to the
answering part。 I would much rather see how you can get over what
follows。 Pray are not the objects perceived by the {247} 
of one; likewise perceivable to others present? If there were a
hundred more here; they would all see the garden; the trees; and
flowers; as I see them。 But they are not in the same manner
affected with the ideas I frame in my 。 Does not
this make a difference between the former sort of objects and the
latter?

     。 I grant it does。 Nor have I ever denied a difference
between the objects of sense and those of imagination。 But what
would you infer from thence? You cannot say that sensible objects
exist unperceived; because they are perceived by many。

     。 I own I can make nothing of that objection: but it
hath led me into another。 Is it not your opinion that by our
senses we perceive only the ideas existing in our minds?

     。 It is。

     。 But the  idea which is in my mind cannot be in
yours; or in any other mind。 Doth it not therefore follow; from
your principles; that no two can see the same thing? And is not
this highly; absurd?

     。 If the term  be taken in the vulgar
acceptation; it is certain (and not at all repugnant to the
principles I maintain) that different persons may perceive the
same thing; or the same thing or idea exist in different minds。
Words are of arbitrary imposition; and; since men are used to
apply the word  where no distinction or variety is
perceived; and I do not pretend to alter their perceptions; it
follows that; as men have said before; ; so they may; upon like occasions; still continue to use
the same phrase; without any deviation either from propriety of
language; or the truth of things。 But; if the term  be used
in the acceptation of philosophers; who pretend to an abstracted
notion of identity; then; according to their sundry definitions
of this notion (for it is not yet agreed wherein that philosophic
identity consists); it may or may not be possible for divers
persons to perceive the same thing。 But whether philosophers
shall think fit to  a thing th
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