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protagoras-第10章

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said: Protagoras; I have a wretched memory; and when any one makes a



long speech to me I never remember what he is talking about。 As



then; if I had been deaf; and you were going to converse with me;



you would have had to raise your voice; so now; having such a bad



memory; I will ask you to cut your answers shorter; if you would



take me with you。



  What do you mean? he said: how am I to shorten my answers? shall I



make them too short?



  Certainly not; I said。



  But short enough?



  Yes; I said。



  Shall I answer what appears to me to be short enough; or what



appears to you to be short enough?



  I have heard; I said; that you can speak and teach others to speak



about the same things at such length that words never seemed to



fail; or with such brevity that no one could use fewer of them。 Please



therefore; if you talk with me; to adopt the latter or more



compendious method。



  Socrates; he replied; many a battle of words have I fought; and if I



had followed the method of disputation which my adversaries desired;



as you want me to do; I should have been no better than another; and



the name of Protagoras would have been nowhere。



  I saw that he was not satisfied with his previous answers; and



that he would not play the part of answerer any more if he could help;



and I considered that there was no call upon me to continue the



conversation; so I said: Protagoras; I do not wish to force the



conversation upon you if you had rather not; but when you are



willing to argue with me in such a way that I can follow you; then I



will argue with you。 Now you; as is said of you by others and as you



say of yourself; are able to have discussions in shorter forms of



speech as well as in longer; for you are a master of wisdom; but I



cannot manage these long speeches: I only wish that I could。 You; on



the other hand; who are capable of either; ought to speak shorter as I



beg you; and then we might converse。 But I see that you are



disinclined; and as I have an engagement which will prevent my staying



to hear you at greater length (for I have to be in another place); I



will depart; although I should have liked to have heard you。



  Thus I spoke; and was rising from my seat; when Callias seized me by



the right hand; and in his left hand caught hold of this old cloak



of mine。 He said: We cannot let you go; Socrates; for if you leave



us there will be an end of our discussions: I must therefore beg you



to remain; as there is nothing in the world that I should like



better than to hear you and Protagoras discourse。 Do not deny the



company this pleasure。



  Now I had got up; and was in the act of departure。 Son of



Hipponicus; I replied; I have always admired; and do now heartily



applaud and love your philosophical spirit; and I would gladly



comply with your request; if I could。 But the truth is that I



cannot。 And what you ask is as great an impossibility to me; as if you



bade me run a race with Crison of Himera; when in his prime; or with



some one of the long or day course runners。 To such a request I should



reply that I would fain ask the same of my own legs; but they refuse



to comply。 And therefore if you want to see Crison and me in the



same stadium; you must bid him slacken his speed to mine; for I cannot



run quickly; and he can run slowly。 And in like manner if you want



to hear me and Protagoras discoursing; you must ask him to shorten his



answers; and keep to the point; as he did at first; if not; how can



there be any discussion? For discussion is one thing; and making an



oration is quite another; in my humble opinion。



  But you see; Socrates; said Callias; that Protagoras may fairly



claim to speak in his own way; just as you claim to speak in yours。



  Here Alcibiades interposed; and said: That; Callias; is not a true



statement of the case。 For our friend Socrates admits that he cannot



make a speech…in this he yields the palm to Protagoras: but I should



be greatly surprised if he yielded to any living man in the power of



holding and apprehending an argument。 Now if Protagoras will make a



similar admission; and confess that he is inferior to Socrates in



argumentative skill; that is enough for Socrates; but if he claims a



superiority in argument as well; let him ask and answer…not; when a



question is asked; slipping away from the point; and instead of



answering; making a speech at such length that most of his hearers



forget the question at issue (not that Socrates is likely to



forget…I will be bound for that; although he may pretend in fun that



he has a bad memory)。 And Socrates appears to me to be more in the



right than Protagoras; that is my view; and every man ought to say



what he thinks。



  When Alcibiades had done speaking; some one…Critias; I



believe…went on to say: O Prodicus and Hippias; Callias appears to



me to be a partisan of Protagoras: and this led Alcibiades; who



loves opposition; to take the other side。 But we should not be



partisans either of Socrates or of Protagoras; let us rather unite



in entreating both of them not to break up the discussion。



  Prodicus added: That; Critias; seems to me to be well said; for



those who are present at such discussions ought to be impartial



hearers of both the speakers; remembering; however; that



impartiality is not the same as equality; for both sides should be



impartially heard; and yet an equal meed should not be assigned to



both of them; but to the wiser a higher meed should be given; and a



lower to the less wise。 And I as well as Critias would beg you;



Protagoras and Socrates; to grant our request; which is; that you will



argue with one another and not wrangle; for friends argue with friends



out of goodwill; but only adversaries and enemies wrangle。 And then



our meeting will be delightful; for in this way you; who are the



speakers; will be most likely to win esteem; and not praise only;



among us who are your audience; for esteem is a sincere conviction



of the hearers' souls; but praise is often an insincere expression



of men uttering falsehoods contrary to their conviction。 And thus we



who are the hearers will be gratified and not pleased; for



gratification is of the mind when receiving wisdom and knowledge;



but pleasure is of the body when eating or experiencing some other



bodily delight。 Thus spoke Prodicus; and many of the company applauded



his words。



  Hippias the sage spoke next。 He said: All of you who are here



present I reckon to be kinsmen and friends and fellow…citizens; by



nature and not by law; for by nature like is akin to like; whereas law



is the tyrant of mankind; and often compels us to do many things which



are against nature。 How great would be the disgrace then; if we; who



know the nature of things; and are the wisest of the Hellenes; and



as such are met together 
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