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cratylus-第44章

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see; expresses rest in the soul; and not motion。  Moreover; words such as

amartia and sumphora; which have a bad sense; viewed in the light of their

etymologies will be the same as sunesis and episteme and other words which

have a good sense (compare omartein; sunienai; epesthai; sumpheresthai);

and much the same may be said of amathia and akolasia; for amathia may be

explained as e ama theo iontos poreia; and akolasia as e akolouthia tois

pragmasin。  Thus the names which in these instances we find to have the

worst sense; will turn out to be framed on the same principle as those

which have the best。  And any one I believe who would take the trouble

might find many other examples in which the giver of names indicates; not

that things are in motion or progress; but that they are at rest; which is

the opposite of motion。



CRATYLUS:  Yes; Socrates; but observe; the greater number express motion。



SOCRATES:  What of that; Cratylus?  Are we to count them like votes? and is

correctness of names the voice of the majority?  Are we to say of whichever

sort there are most; those are the true ones?



CRATYLUS:  No; that is not reasonable。



SOCRATES:  Certainly not。  But let us have done with this question and

proceed to another; about which I should like to know whether you think

with me。  Were we not lately acknowledging that the first givers of names

in states; both Hellenic and barbarous; were the legislators; and that the

art which gave names was the art of the legislator?



CRATYLUS:  Quite true。



SOCRATES:  Tell me; then; did the first legislators; who were the givers of

the first names; know or not know the things which they named?



CRATYLUS:  They must have known; Socrates。



SOCRATES:  Why; yes; friend Cratylus; they could hardly have been ignorant。



CRATYLUS:  I should say not。



SOCRATES:  Let us return to the point from which we digressed。  You were

saying; if you remember; that he who gave names must have known the things

which he named; are you still of that opinion?



CRATYLUS:  I am。



SOCRATES:  And would you say that the giver of the first names had also a

knowledge of the things which he named?



CRATYLUS:  I should。



SOCRATES:  But how could he have learned or discovered things from names if

the primitive names were not yet given?  For; if we are correct in our

view; the only way of learning and discovering things; is either to

discover names for ourselves or to learn them from others。



CRATYLUS:  I think that there is a good deal in what you say; Socrates。



SOCRATES:  But if things are only to be known through names; how can we

suppose that the givers of names had knowledge; or were legislators before

there were names at all; and therefore before they could have known them?



CRATYLUS:  I believe; Socrates; the true account of the matter to be; that

a power more than human gave things their first names; and that the names

which are thus given are necessarily their true names。



SOCRATES:  Then how came the giver of the names; if he was an inspired

being or God; to contradict himself?  For were we not saying just now that

he made some names expressive of rest and others of motion?  Were we

mistaken?



CRATYLUS:  But I suppose one of the two not to be names at all。



SOCRATES:  And which; then; did he make; my good friend; those which are

expressive of rest; or those which are expressive of motion?  This is a

point which; as I said before; cannot be determined by counting them。



CRATYLUS:  No; not in that way; Socrates。



SOCRATES:  But if this is a battle of names; some of them asserting that

they are like the truth; others contending that THEY are; how or by what

criterion are we to decide between them?  For there are no other names to

which appeal can be made; but obviously recourse must be had to another

standard which; without employing names; will make clear which of the two

are right; and this must be a standard which shows the truth of things。



CRATYLUS:  I agree。



SOCRATES:  But if that is true; Cratylus; then I suppose that things may be

known without names?



CRATYLUS:  Clearly。



SOCRATES:  But how would you expect to know them?  What other way can there

be of knowing them; except the true and natural way; through their

affinities; when they are akin to each other; and through themselves?  For

that which is other and different from them must signify something other

and different from them。



CRATYLUS:  What you are saying is; I think; true。



SOCRATES:  Well; but reflect; have we not several times acknowledged that

names rightly given are the likenesses and images of the things which they

name?



CRATYLUS:  Yes。



SOCRATES:  Let us suppose that to any extent you please you can learn

things through the medium of names; and suppose also that you can learn

them from the things themselveswhich is likely to be the nobler and

clearer way; to learn of the image; whether the image and the truth of

which the image is the expression have been rightly conceived; or to learn

of the truth whether the truth and the image of it have been duly executed?



CRATYLUS:  I should say that we must learn of the truth。



SOCRATES:  How real existence is to be studied or discovered is; I suspect;

beyond you and me。  But we may admit so much; that the knowledge of things

is not to be derived from names。  No; they must be studied and investigated

in themselves。



CRATYLUS:  Clearly; Socrates。



SOCRATES:  There is another point。  I should not like us to be imposed upon

by the appearance of such a multitude of names; all tending in the same

direction。  I myself do not deny that the givers of names did really give

them under the idea that all things were in motion and flux; which was

their sincere but; I think; mistaken opinion。  And having fallen into a

kind of whirlpool themselves; they are carried round; and want to drag us

in after them。  There is a matter; master Cratylus; about which I often

dream; and should like to ask your opinion:  Tell me; whether there is or

is not any absolute beauty or good; or any other absolute existence?



CRATYLUS:  Certainly; Socrates; I think so。



SOCRATES:  Then let us seek the true beauty:  not asking whether a face is

fair; or anything of that sort; for all such things appear to be in a flux;

but let us ask whether the true beauty is not always beautiful。



CRATYLUS:  Certainly。



SOCRATES:  And can we rightly speak of a beauty which is always passing

away; and is first this and then that; must not the same thing be born and

retire and vanish while the word is in our mouths?



CRATYLUS:  Undoubtedly。



SOCRATES:  Then how can that be a real thing which is never in the same

state? for obviously things which are the same cannot change while they

remain the same; and if they are always the same and in the same state; and

never depart from their original form; they can never change or be moved
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