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the clouds-第9章

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  PHIDIPPIDES

    To make you better used to them; I would you were hung。

  STREPSIADES

    A curse upon you! you insult your master!

  SOCRATES

    〃I would you were hung!〃 What a stupid speech! and so emphatically

spoken! How can one ever get out of an accusation with such a tone;

summon witnesses or touch or convince? And yet when we think;

Hyperbolus learnt all this for one talent!

  STREPSIADES

    Rest undisturbed and teach him。 He has a most intelligent

nature。 Even when quite little he amused himself at home with making

houses; carving boats; constructing little chariots of leather; and

understood wonderfully how to make frogs out of pomegranate rinds。

Teach him both methods of reasoning; the strong and also the weak;

which by false arguments triumphs over the strong; if not the two;

at least the false; and that in every possible way。

  SOCRATES

    The Just and Unjust Discourse themselves shall instruct him。 I

shall leave you。

  STREPSIADES

    But forget it not; he must always; always be able to confound

the true。

    (Socrates enters the Thoughtery; a moment later the JUST and the

UNJUST DISCOURSE come out; they are quarrelling violently。)

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Come here! Shameless as you may be; will you dare to show your

face to the spectators?

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Take me where you will。 I seek a throng; so that I may the

better annihilate you。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Annihilate me! Do you forget who you are?

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    I am Reasoning。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Yes; the weaker Reasoning。〃

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    But I triumph over you; who claim to be the stronger。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    By what cunning shifts; pray?

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    By the invention of new maxims。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    。。。。 which are received with favour by these fools。

                                         (He points to the audience。)

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Say rather; by these wise men。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    I am going to destroy you mercilessly。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    How pray? Let us see you do it。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    By saying what is true。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    I shall retort and shall very soon have the better of you。

First; maintain that justice has no existence。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Has no existence?

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    No existence! Why; where is it?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    With the gods。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    How then; if justice exists; was Zeus not put to death for

having put his father in chains?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Bah! this is enough to turn my stomach! A basin; quick!

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    You are an old driveller and stupid withal。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    And you a degenerate and shameless fellow。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Hah! What sweet expressions!

  JUST DISCOURSE

    An impious buffoon。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    You crown me with roses and with lilies。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    A parricide。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Why; you shower gold upon me。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Formerly it was a hailstorm of blows。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    I deck myself with your abuse。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    What impudence!

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    What tomfoolery!

  JUST DISCOURSE

    It is because of you that the youth no longer attends the schools。

The Athenians will soon recognize what lessons you teach those who are

fools enough to believe you。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    You are overwhelmed with wretchedness。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    And you; you prosper。 Yet you were poor when you said; 〃I am the

Mysian Telephus;〃 and used to stuff your wallet with maxims of

Pandeletus to nibble at。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Oh! the beautiful wisdom; of which you are now boasting!

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Madman! But yet madder the city that keeps you; you; the corrupter

of its youth!

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    It is not you who will teach this young man; you are as old and

out of date at Cronus。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Nay; it will certainly be I; if he does not wish to be lost and to

practise verbosity only。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE (to PHIDIPPIDES)

    Come here and leave him to beat the air。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    You'll regret it; if you touch him。

  CHORUS…LEADER (stepping between them as they are about to come to

                       blows)

    A truce to your quarrellings and abuse! But you expound what you

taught us formerly; and you; your new doctrine。 Thus; after hearing

each of you argue; he will be able to choose betwixt the two schools。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    I am quite agreeable。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    And I too。

  LEADER OF THE CHORUS

    Who is to speak first?

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Let it be my opponent; he has my full consent; then I shall follow

upon the very ground he shall have chosen and shall shatter him with a

hail of new ideas and subtle fancies; if after that he dares to

breathe another word; I shall sting him in the face and in the eyes

with our maxims; which are as keen as the sting of a wasp; and he will

die。

  CHORUS (singing)

    Here are two rivals confident in their powers of oratory and in

the thoughts over which they have pondered so long。 Let us see which

will come triumphant out of the contest。 This wisdom; for which my

friends maintain such a persistent fight; is in great danger。

  LEADER OF THE CHORUS

    Come then; you; who crowned men of other days with so many

virtues; plead the cause dear to you; make yourself known to us。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Very well; I will tell you what was the old education; when I used

to teach justice with so much success and when modesty was held in

veneration。 Firstly; it was required of a child; that it should not

utter a word。 In the street; when they went to the music…school; all

the youths of the same district marched lightly clad and ranged in

good order; even when the snow was falling in great flakes。 At the

master's house they had to stand with their legs apart and they were

taught to sing either; 〃Pallas; the Terrible; who overturneth cities;〃

or 〃A noise resounded from afar〃 in the solemn tones of the ancient

harmony。 If anyone indulged in buffoonery or lent his voice any of the

soft inflexions; like those which to…day the disciples of Phrynis take

so much pains to form; he was treated as an enemy of the Muses and

belaboured with blows。 In the wrestling school they would sit with

outstretched legs and without display of any indecency to the curious。

When they rose; they would smooth over the sand; so as to leave no

trace to excite obscene thoughts。 Never was a child rubbed with oil

below the belt; the rest of their bodies thus retained its fresh bloom

and down; like a velvety peach。 They were not to be seen approaching a

lover and themselves rousing his passion by soft modulation of the

voice and lustful gaze。 At table; they would not have dared; before

those older than themselves; to have taken a radish; an aniseed or a

leaf of parsley; and m
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