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the clouds-第10章

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those older than themselves; to have taken a radish; an aniseed or a

leaf of parsley; and much less eat fish or thrushes or cross their

legs。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    What antiquated rubbish! Have we got back to the days of the

festivals of Zeus Polieus; to the Buphonia; to the time of the poet

Cecides and the golden cicadas?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Nevertheless by suchlike teaching I built up the men of

Marathon…But you; you teach the children of to…day to bundle

themselves quickly into their clothes; and I am enraged when I see

them at the Panathenaea forgetting Athene while they dance; and

covering their tools with their bucklers。 Hence; young man; dare to

range yourself beside me; who follow justice and truth; you will

then be able to shun the public place; to refrain from the baths; to

blush at all that is shameful; to fire up if your virtue is mocked at;

to give place to your elders; to honour your parents; in short; to

avoid all that is evil。 Be modesty itself; and do not run to applaud

the dancing girls; if you delight in such scenes; some courtesan

will cast you her apple and your reputation will be done for。 Do not

bandy words with your father; nor treat him as a dotard; nor

reproach the old man; who has cherished you; with his age。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    If you listen to him; by Bacchus! you will be the image of the

sons of Hippocrates and will be called mother's big ninny。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    No; but you will pass your days at the gymnasia; glowing with

strength and health; you will not go to the public place to cackle and

wrangle as is done nowadays; you will not live in fear that you may be

dragged before the courts for some trifle exaggerated by quibbling。

But you will go down to the Academy to run beneath the sacred olives

with some virtuous friend of your own age; your head encircled with

the white reed; enjoying your ease and breathing the perfume of the

yew and of the fresh sprouts of the poplar; rejoicing in the return of

springtide and gladly listening to the gentle rustle of the plane tree

and the elm。 (With greater warmth from here on) If you devote yourself

to practising my precepts; your chest will be stout; your colour

glowing; your shoulders broad; your tongue short; your hips

muscular; but your tool small。 But if you follow the fashions of the

day; you will be pallid in hue; have narrow shoulders; a narrow chest;

a long tongue; small hips and a big thing; you will know how to spin

forth long…winded arguments on law。 You will be persuaded also to

regard as splendid everything that is shameful and as shameful

everything that is honourable; in a word; you will wallow in

degeneracy like Antimachus。

  CHORUS (singing)

    How beautiful; high…souled; brilliant is this wisdom that you

practise! What a sweet odour of honesty is emitted by your

discourse! Happy were those men of other days who lived when you

were honoured! And you; seductive talker; come; find some fresh

arguments; for your rival has done wonders。

  LEADER OF THE CHORUS

    You will have to bring out against him all the battery of your

wit; it you desire to beat him and not to be laughed out of court。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    At last! I was choking with impatience; I was burning to upset his

arguments! If I am called the Weaker Reasoning in the schools; it is

just because I was the first to discover the means to confute the laws

and the decrees of justice。 To invoke solely the weaker arguments

and yet triumph is an art worth more than a hundred thousand drachmae。

But see how I shall batter down the sort of education of which he is

so proud。 Firstly; he forbids you to bathe in hot water。 What

grounds have you for condemning hot baths?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Because they are baneful and enervate men。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Enough said! Oh! you poor wrestler! From the very outset I have

seized you and hold you round the middle; you cannot escape me。 Tell

me; of all the sons of Zeus; who had the stoutest heart; who performed

the most doughty deeds?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    None; in my opinion; surpassed Heracles。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Where have you ever seen cold baths called 'Bath of Heracles'? And

yet who was braver than he?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    It is because of such quibbles; that the baths are seen crowded

with young folk; who chatter there the livelong day while the gymnasia

remain empty。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Next you condemn the habit of frequenting the market…place;

while I approve this。 If it were wrong Homer would never have made

Nestor speak in public as well as all his wise heroes。 As for the

art of speaking; he tells you; young men should not practise it; I

hold the contrary。 Furthermore he preaches chastity to them。 Both

precepts are equally harmful。 Have you ever seen chastity of any use

to anyone? Answer and try to confute me。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    To many; for instance; Peleus won a sword thereby。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    A sword! Ah! what a fine present to make him! Poor wretch!

Hyperbolus; the lamp…seller; thanks to his villainy; has gained more

than。。。。do not know how many talents; but certainly no sword。

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Peleus owed it to his chastity that he became the husband of

Thetis。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    。。。。 who left him in the lurch; for he was not the most ardent; in

those nocturnal sports between the sheets; which so please women; he

possessed but little merit。 Get you gone; you are but an old fool。 But

you; young man; just consider a little what this temperance means

and the delights of which it deprives you…young fellows; women;

play; dainty dishes; wine; boisterous laughter。 And what is life worth

without these? Then; if you happen to commit one of these faults

inherent in human weakness; some seduction or adultery; and you are

caught in the act; you are lost; if you cannot speak。 But follow my

teaching and you will be able to satisfy your passions; to dance; to

laugh; to blush at nothing。 Suppose you are caught in the act of

adultery。 Then up and tell the husband you are not guilty; and

recall to him the example of Zeus; who allowed himself to be conquered

by love and by women。 Being but a mortal; can you be stronger than a

god?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Suppose your pupil; following your advice; gets the radish

rammed up his arse and then is depilated with a hot coal; how are

you going to prove to him that he is not a broad…arse?

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    What's the matter with being a broad…arse?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Is there anything worse than that?

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Now what will you say; if I beat you even on this point?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    I should certainly have to be silent then。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Well then; reply! Our advocates; what are they?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Sons of broad…arses。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

    Nothing is more true。 And our tragic poets?

  JUST DISCOURSE

    Sons of broad…arses。

  UNJUST DISCOURSE

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