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statesman-第3章

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  Str。 O Socrates; best of men; you are imposing upon me a very

difficult task。 We have already digressed further from our original

intention than we ought; and you would have us wander still further

away。 But we must now return to our subject; and hereafter; 

when there

is a leisure hour; we will follow up the other track; at the 

same time

I wish you to guard against imagining that you ever heard me declare…

  Y。 Soc。 What?

  Str。 That a class and a part are distinct。

  Y。 Soc。 What did I hear; then?

  Str。 That a class is necessarily a part; but there is no similar

necessity that a part should be a dass; that is the view which I

should always wish you to attribute to me; Socrates。

  Y。 Soc。 So be it。

  Str。 There is another thing which I should like to know。

  Y。 Soc。 What is it?

  Str。 The point at which we digressed; for; if I am not 

mistaken; the

exact place was at the question; Where you would divide the 

management

of herds。 To this you appeared rather too ready to answer that them

were two species of animals; man being one; and all brutes making up

the other。

  Y。 Soc。 True。

  Str。 I thought that in taking away a part you imagined that the

remainder formed a class; because you were able to call them by the

common name of brutes。

  Y。 Soc。 That again is true。

  Str。 Suppose now; O most courageous of dialecticians; that 

some wise

and understanding creature; such as a crane is reputed to 

be; were; in

imitation of you; to make a similar division; and set up cranes

against all other animals to their own special glorification; at the

same time jumbling together all the others; including man; under the

appellation of brutes;…here would be the sort of error which we must

try to avoid。

  Y。 Soc。 How can we be safe?

  Str。 If we do not divide the whole class of animals; we shall be

less likely to fall into that error。

  Y。 Soc。 We had better not take the whole?

  Str。 Yes; there lay the source of error in our former division。

  Y。 Soc。 How?

  Str。 You remember how that part of the art of knowledge which was

concerned with command; had to do with the rearing of living

creatures;…I mean; with animals in herds?

  Y。 Soc。 Yes。

  Str。 In that case; there was already implied a division of all

animals into tame and wild; those whose nature can be tamed 

are called

tame; and those which cannot be tamed are called wild。

  Y。 Soc。 True。

  Str。 And the political science of which we are in search; is and

ever was concerned with tame animals; and is also confined to

gregarious animals。

  Y。 Soc。 Yes。

  Str。 But then ought not to divide; as we did; taking the 

whole class

at once。 Neither let us be in too great haste to arrive 

quickly at the

political science; for this mistake has already brought upon us the

misfortune of which the proverb speaks。

  Y。 Soc。 What misfortune?

  Str。 The misfortune of too much haste; which is too little speed。

  Y。 Soc。 And all the better; Stranger;…we got what we deserved。

  Str。 Very well: Let us then begin again; and endeavour to 

divide the

collective rearing of animals; for probably the completion of the

argument will best show what you are so anxious to know。 Tell me;

then…

  Y。 Soc。 What?

  Str。 Have you ever heard; as you very likely may…for I do not

suppose that you ever actually visited them…of the preserves 

of fishes

in the Nile; and in the ponds of the Great King; or you may have

seen similar preserves in wells at home?

  Y。 Soc。 Yes; to be sure; I have seen them; and I have often heard

the others described。

  Str。 And you may have heard also; and may have been…assured by

report; although you have not travelled in those regions; of 

nurseries

of geese and cranes in the plains of Thessaly?

  Y。 Soc。 Certainly。

  Str。 I asked you; because here is a new division of the management

of herds; into the management of land and of water herds。

  Y。 Soc。 There is。

  Str。 And do you agree that we ought to divide the 

collective rearing

of herds into two corresponding parts; the one the rearing of water;

and the other the rearing of land herds?

  Y。 Soc。 Yes。

  Str。 There is surely no need to ask which of these two contains

the royal art; for it is evident to everybody。

  Y。 Soc。 Certainly。

  Str。 Any one can divide the herds which feed on dry land?

  Y。 Soc。 How would you divide them?

  Str。 I should distinguish between those which fly and those which

walk。

  Y。 Soc。 Most true。

  Str。 And where shall we look for the political animal? Might not

an idiot; so to speak; know that he is a pedestrian?

  Y。 Soc。 Certainly。

  Str。 The art of managing the walking animal has to be further

divided; just as you might have an even number。

  Y。 Soc。 Clearly。

  Str。 Let me note that here appear in view two ways to that part or

class which the argument aims at reaching…the one is speedier way;

which cuts off a small portion and leaves a large; the other agrees

better with the principle which we were laying down; that as 

far as we

can we should divide in the middle; but it is longer。 We can take

either of them; whichever we please。

  Y。 Soc。 Cannot we have both ways?

  Str。 Together? What a thing to ask! but; if you take them in turn;

you clearly may。

  Y。 Soc。 Then I should like to have them in turn。

  Str。 There will be no difficulty; as we are near the end; if we

had been at the beginning; or in the middle; I should have 

demurred to

your request; but now; in accordance with your desire; let us begin

with the longer way; while we are fresh; we shall get on better。 And

now attend to the division。

  Y。 Soc。 Let me hear。

  Str。 The tame walking herding animals are distributed by 

nature into

two classes。

  Y。 Soc。 Upon what principle?

  Str。 The one grows horns; and the other is without horns。

  Y。 Soc。 Clearly。

  Str。 Suppose that you divide the science which manages pedestrian

animals into two corresponding parts; and define them; for if you

try to invent names for them; you will find the intricacy too great。

  Y。 Soc。 How must I speak of them; then?

  Str。 In this way: let the science of managing pedestrian animals

be divided into two parts and one part assigned to the 

horned herd and

the other to the herd that has no horns。

  Y。 Soc。 All that you say has been abundantly proved; and may

therefore; be assumed。

  Str。 The king is clearly the shepherd a polled herd; who have no

horns。

  Y。 Soc。 That is evident。

  Str。 Shall we break up this hornless herd into sections; and

endeavour to assign to him what is his?

  Y。 Soc。 By all means。

  Str。 Shall we distinguish them by their having or not having

cloven feet; or by their mixing or not mixing the breed? You 

know what

I mean。

  Y。 Soc。 What?

  Str。 I mean that horses and asses naturally breed from one another。

  Y。 Soc。 Yes。

  Str。 But the remainder of the hornless herd of tame 

animals will not

mix the breed。

  Y。 Soc。 Very true。

  Str。 And of which has the Statesman charge;…of the mixed or of the

unmixed race?

  Y。 Soc。 Clearly of the unmixed。

  Str。 I suppos
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