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to him that hath-第47章

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Nor wi' any of ye;〃 he added。

〃Nonsense; Malcolm。  You can't object to talk over these points
with us。  You must talk them over before you're done with them。
And you'll talk them over before the whole town; too。〃

〃What do you mean; 'before the whole town'?〃 said Malcolm。

〃This is a community question。  This community is interested and
greatly interested。  It will demand a full exposition of the
attitude of the unions。〃

〃The community!〃 snorted McNish in contempt。

〃Aye; the community;〃 replied the minister; 〃and you are not to
snort at it。  That's the trouble with you labour folk。  You think
you are the whole thing。  You forget the third and most important
party in any industrial strife; the community。  The community is
interested first; in justice being done to its citizensto all its
citizens; mind you; second; in the preservation of the services
necessary to its comfort and well…being; third; in the continuance
of the means of livelihood to wage earners。〃

〃Ye missed one;〃 said McNish grimly。  〃The conserving of the
profits of labour for the benefit of the capitalist。〃

〃I might have put that in; too;〃 said the minister; 〃but it is
included in my first。  But I should have added another which; to my
mind; is of the very first importance; the preservation of the
spirit of brotherly feeling and Christian decency as between man
and man in this community。〃

〃Aye; ye might;〃 replied Malcolm in bitter irony; 〃and ye might
begin with the ministers and the churches。〃

〃Whisht; laddie;〃 said his mother sharply; 〃Mind yer manners。〃

〃He doesn't mean me specially; Mrs。 McNish; but I will not say but
what he is right。〃

〃No;〃 replied McNish; 〃I don't mean you exactly; Mr。 Matheson。〃

〃Don't take it back; McNish;〃 said the minister。  〃I need it。  We
all need it in the churches; and we will take it; too。  But come
now; let us look at these clauses。  You are surely not standing for
them all; or for them all alike?〃

〃Why not; then?〃 said McNish; angrily。

〃I'll tell you;〃 replied the minister; 〃and won't take long;
either。〃  He proceeded to read over carefully the various clauses
in the demands of the allied unions; emphasizing and explaining the
meaning of each clause。  〃First; as to wages。  This is purely a
matter for adjustment to the cost of living and general industrial
conditions。  It is a matter of arithmetic and common sense。  There
is no principle involved。〃

〃I don't agree with you;〃 said McNish。  〃There is more than the
cost of living to be considered。  There is the question of the
standard of living。  Why should it be considered right that the
standard of living for the working man should be lower than that
for the professional man or the capitalist?〃

〃There you are again; McNish;〃 said the minister。  〃You are not up
to your usual to…night。  You know quite well that every working man
in my parish lives better than I do; and spends more money on his
living。  The standard of living has no special significance with
the working man to…day as distinguished from the professional man。
We are not speaking of the wasteful and idle rich。  So I repeat
that here it is a matter of adjustment and that there is no
principle involved。  Now; as regard to hours。  You ask an eight…
hour day and a Saturday half…holiday。  That; too; is a matter of
adjustment。〃

〃What about production; Mr。 Matheson?〃 said Maitland。  〃And
overhead?  Production costs are abnormally high to…day and so are
carrying charges。  I am not saying that a ten…hour day is not too
long。  Personally; I believe that a man cannot keep at his best for
ten hours in certain industriesnot in all。〃

〃Long hours do not mean big production; Maitland。  Not long hours
but intensive and co…ordinated work bring up production and lower
production costs。〃

〃What about idle machines and overhead?〃 inquired Maitland。

〃A very important consideration;〃 said the minister。  〃The only
sound rule governing factory industry especially is this: the
longest possible machine time; the shortest possible man time。  But
here again it is a question of organisation; adjustment and co…
ordination of work and workers。  We all want education here。〃

〃If I remember right;〃 said McNish; and he could not keep the
bitterness out of his voice; 〃I have heard you say something in the
pulpit at times in regard to the value of men's immortal souls。
What care can men take of their bodies and minds; let alone their
souls; if you work them ten hours a day?〃

〃There is a previous question; McNish;〃 said the minister。  〃Why
give more leisure time to men who spend their leisure hours now in
pool rooms and that sort of nonsense?〃

〃And whose fault is that;〃 replied McNish sharply。  〃Who is
responsible that they have not learned to use their leisure more
wisely?  And further; what about your young bloods and their
leisure hours?〃

〃Ay; A doot he has ye there; minister;〃 said Mrs。 McNish with a
quiet chuckle。

〃He has;〃 said the minister。  〃The point is well taken and I
acknowledge it freely。  My position is that the men need more
leisure; but; more than that; they need instruction as to how to
use their leisure time wisely。  But let us get on to the third
point。  'A Joint Committee of References demanded to which all
complaints shall be referred。'  Now; that's fine。  That's the
Whitley plan。  It is quite sound and has proved thoroughly useful
in practice。〃

〃I quite agree;〃 said Maitland frankly。  〃But certain conditions
must be observed。〃

〃Of course; of course;〃 replied the minister。  〃Conditions must be
observed everywhere。  Now; the fourth point:  'The foreman must be
a member of the union。'  Thoroughly unsound。  They can't ride two
horses at once。

〃I am not so sure of that;〃 said Maitland。  〃For my part; I should
like to have retained my membership in the union。  The more that
both parties meet for conference; the better。  And the more
connecting links between them; the better。  I should like to see a
union where employers and employees should have equal rights of
membership。〃

McNish grunted contemptuously。

〃It would be an interesting experiment;〃 said the minister。  〃An
interesting experiment; McNish; and you are not to grunt like that。
The human element; of course; is the crux here。  If we had the
right sort of foreman he might be trusted to be a member of the
union; but a man cannot direct and be directed at the same time。
But that union of yours; Maitland; with both parties represented in
it; is a big idea。  It is worth considering。  What do you think
about it; McNish?〃

〃What do I think of it?  It is sheer idealistic nonsense。〃

〃It is a noble idea; laddie; and no to be sneered at; but A doot it
needs a better world for it than we hae at the present。〃

〃I am afraid that is true;〃 said the minister。  〃But meantime a
foreman is a man who gives orders and directs work; and; generally
speaking; he must remain with a directorate in any business。  There
may be exceptions。  You must acknowledge that; McNish。〃

〃I'll acknowledge nothing of the sort;〃 replied McNish; and entered
into a long argument which convinced no one。

〃Now we come to the next; number five: 'a voice 
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