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sophist-第14章

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〃other〃? Are they two new kinds other than the three; and yet always

of necessity intermingling with them; and are we to have five kinds

instead of three; or when we speak of the same and other; are we

unconsciously speaking of one of the three first kinds?

  Theaet。 Very likely we are。

  Str。 But; surely; motion and rest are neither the other nor the

same。

  Theaet。 How is that?

  Str。 Whatever we attribute to motion and rest in common; cannot be

either of them。

  Theaet。 Why not?

  Str。 Because motion would be at rest and rest in motion; for

either of them; being predicated of both; will compel the other to

change into the opposite of its own nature; because partaking of its

opposite。

  Theaet。 Quite true。

  Str。 Yet they surely both partake of the same and of the other?

  Theaet。 Yes。

  Str。 Then we must not assert that motion; any more than rest; is

either the same or the other。

  Theaet。 No; we must not。

  Str。 But are we to conceive that being and the same are identical?

  Theaet。 Possibly。

  Str。 But if they are identical; then again in saying that 

motion and

rest have being; we should also be saying that they are the same。

  Theaet。 Which surely cannot be。

  Str。 Then being and same cannot be one。

  Theaet。 Scarcely。

  Str。 Then we may suppose the same to be a fourth class; 

which is now

to be added to the three others。

  Theaet。 Quite true。

  Str。 And shall we call the other a fifth class? Or should we

consider being and other to be two names of the same class?

  Theaet。 Very likely。

  Str。 But you would agree; if I am not mistaken; that existences

are relative as well as absolute?

  Theaet。 Certainly。

  Str。 And the other is always relative to other?

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 But this would not be the case unless being and the other

entirely differed; for; if the other; like being; were absolute as

well as relative; then there would have been a kind of other 

which was

not other than other。 And now we find that what is other must of

necessity be what it is in relation to some other。

  Theaet。 That is the true state of the case。

  Str。 Then we must admit the other as the fifth of our selected

classes。

  Theaet。 Yes。

  Str。 And the fifth class pervades all classes; for they all differ

from one another; not by reason of their own nature; but because

they partake of the idea of the other。

  Theaet。 Quite true。

  Str。 Then let us now put the case with reference to each of the

five。

  Theaet。 How?

  Str。 First there is motion; which we affirm to be 

absolutely 〃other〃

than rest: what else can we say?

  Theaet。 It is so。

  Str。 And therefore is not rest。

  Theaet。 Certainly not。

  Str。 And yet is; because partaking of being。

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 Again; motion is other than the same?

  Theaet。 Just so。

  Str。 And is therefore not the same。

  Theaet。 It is not。

  Str。 Yet; surely; motion is the same; because all things partake

of the same。

  Theaet。 Very true。

  Str。 Then we must admit; and not object to say; that motion is the

same and is not the same; for we do not apply the terms 〃same〃 and

〃not the same;〃 in the same sense; but we call it the 〃same;〃 in

relation to itself; because partaking of the same; and not the same;

because having communion with the other; it is thereby severed from

the same; and has become not that but other; and is therefore

rightly spoken of as 〃not the same。〃

  Theaet。 To be sure。

  Str。 And if absolute motion in any point of view partook of rest;

there would be no absurdity in calling motion stationary。

  Theaet。 Quite right; …that is; on the supposition that some

classes mingle with one another; and others not。

  Str。 That such a communion of kinds is according to nature; we had

already proved before we arrived at this part of our discussion。

  Theaet。 Certainly。

  Str。 Let us proceed; then。 we not say that motion is other than

the other; having been also proved by us to be other than 

the same and

other than rest?

  Theaet。 That is certain。

  Str。 Then; according to this view; motion is other and also not

other?

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 What is the next step? Shall we say that motion is other than

the three and not other than the fourth…for we agreed that there are

five classes about and in the sphere of which we proposed to make

enquiry?

  Theaet。 Surely we cannot admit that the number is less than it

appeared to be just now。

  Str。 Then we may without fear contend that motion is other than

being?

  Theaet。 Without the least fear。

  Str。 The plain result is that motion; since it partakes of being;

really is and also is not?

  Theaet。 Nothing can be plainer。

  Str。 Then not…being necessarily exists in the case of motion and

of every class; for the nature of the other entering into them all;

makes each of them other than being; and so non…existent; and

therefore of all of them; in like manner; we may truly say that they

are not…and again; inasmuch as they partake of being; that they are

and are existent。

  Theaet。 So we may assume。

  Str。 Every class; then; has plurality of being and infinity of

not…being。

  Theaet。 So we must infer。

  Str。 And being itself may be said to be other than the other kinds。

  Theaet。 Certainly。

  Str。 Then we may infer that being is not; in respect of as many

other things as there are; for not…being these it is itself one; and

is: not the other things; which are infinite in number。

  Theaet。 That is not far from the truth。

  Str。 And we must not quarrel with this result; since it is of the

nature of classes to have communion with one another; and if any one

denies our present statement 'viz。; that being is not; etc。'; let

him first argue with our former conclusion 'i。e。; respecting the

communion of ideas'; and then he may proceed to argue with what

follows。

  Theaet。 Nothing can be fairer。

  Str。 Let me ask you to consider a further question。

  Theaet。 What question?

  Str。 When we speak of not…being; we speak; I suppose; not of

something opposed to being; but only different。

  Theaet。 What do you mean?

  Str。 When we speak of something as not great; does the expression

seem to you to imply what is little any more than what is equal?

  Theaet。 Certainly not。

  Str。 The negative particles; ou and me; when prefixed to words; do

not imply opposition; but only difference from the words; or more

correctly from the things represented by the words; which 

follow them。

  Theaet。 Quite true。

  Str。 There is another point to be considered; if you do not object。

  Theaet。 What is it?

  Str。 The nature of the other appears to me to be divided into

fractions like knowledge。

  Theaet。 How so?

  Str。 Knowledge; like the other; is one; and yet the 

various parts of

knowledge have each of them their own particular name; and 

hence there

are many arts and kinds of knowledge。

  Theaet。 Quite true。

  Str。 And is not the case the same with the parts of the 

other; which

is also one?

  Theaet。 Very likely; but will you tell me how?

  Str。 There is some part of the other which is op
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