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sophist-第13章

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affirming that things 〃are〃 truly in motion; and others that they

〃are〃 truly at rest。

  Theaes。 Just so。

  Str。 Again; those who would at one time compound; and at another

resolve all things; whether making them into one and out of one

creating infinity; or dividing them into finite clements; and

forming compounds out of these; whether they suppose the processes

of creation to be successive or continuous; would be talking

nonsense in all this if there were no admixture。

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 Most ridiculous of all will the men themselves be who want to

carry out the argument and yet forbid us to call anything; because

participating in some affection from another; by the name of that

other。

  Theaet。 Why so?

  Str。 Why; because they are compelled to use the words 〃to be;〃

〃apart;〃 〃from others。 〃in itself;〃 and ten thousand more; which

they cannot give up; but must make the connecting links of

discourse; and therefore they do not require to be refuted by

others; but their enemy; as the saying is; inhabits the same house

with them; they are always carrying about with them an 

adversary; like

the wonderful ventriloquist; Eurycles; who out of their own bellies

audibly contradicts them。

  Theaet。 Precisely so; a very true and exact illustration。

  Str。 And now; if we suppose that all things have the power of

communion with one another …what will follow?

  Theaet。 Even I can solve that riddle。

  Str。 How?

  Theaet。 Why; because motion itself would be at rest; and rest

again in motion; if they could be attributed to one another。

  Str。 But this is utterly impossible。

  Theaet。 Of course。

  Str。 Then only the third hypothesis remains。

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 For; surely; either all things have communion with all; or

nothing with any other thing; or some things communicate with some

things and others not。

  Theaet。 Certainly。

  Str。 And two out of these three suppositions have been found to be

impossible。

  Theaet。 Yes。

  Str。 Every one then; who desires to answer truly; will adopt the

third and remaining hypothesis of the communion of some with some。

  Theaet。 Quite true。

  Str。 This communion of some with some may be illustrated 

by the case

of letters; for some letters do not fit each other; while others do。

  Theaet。 Of course。

  Str。 And the vowels; especially; are a sort of bond which pervades

all the other letters; so that without a vowel one consonant 

cannot be

joined to another。

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 But does every one know what letters will unite with what? Or

is art required in order to do so?

  Theaet。 What is required。

  Str。 What art?

  Theaet。 The art of grammar。

  Str。 And is not this also true of sounds high and low?…Is 

not he who

has the art to know what sounds mingle; a musician; and he who is

ignorant; not a musician?

  Theaet。 Yes。

  Str。 And we shall find this to be generally true of art or the

absence of art。

  Theaet。 Of course。

  Str。 And as classes are admitted by us in like manner to be some

of them capable and others incapable of intermixture; must not he

who would rightly show what kinds will unite and what will not;

proceed by the help of science in the path of argument? And will he

not ask if the connecting links are universal; and so capable of

intermixture with all things; and again; in divisions; whether there

are not other universal classes; which make them possible?

  Theaet。 To be sure he will require science; and; if I am not

mistaken; the very greatest of all sciences。

  Str。 How are we to call it? By Zeus; have we not lighted 

unwittingly

upon our free and noble science; and in looking for the Sophist have

we not entertained the philosopher unawares?

  Theaet。 What do you mean?

  Str。 Should we not say that the division according to 

classes; which

neither makes the same other; nor makes other the same; is the

business of the dialectical science?

  Theaet。 That is what we should say。

  Str。 Then; surely; he who can divide rightly is able to see

clearly one form pervading a scattered multitude; and many different

forms contained under one higher form; and again; one form knit

together into a single whole and pervading many such wholes; and

many forms; existing only in separation and isolation。 This is the

knowledge of classes which determines where they can have communion

with one another and where not。

  Theaet。 Quite true。

  Str。 And the art of dialectic would be attributed by you 

only to the

philosopher pure and true?

  Theaet。 Who but he can be worthy?

  Str。 In this region we shall always discover the philosopher; if

we look for him; like the Sophist; he is not easily discovered; but

for a different reason。

  Theaet。 For what reason?

  Str。 Because the Sophist runs away into the darkness of not…being;

in which he has learned by habit to feel about; and cannot be

discovered because of the darkness of the place。 is not that true?

  Theaet。 It seems to be so。

  Str。 And the philosopher; always holding converse through reason

with the idea of being; is also dark from excess of light; for the

souls of the many have no eye which can endure the vision of the

divine。

  Theaet。 Yes; that seems to be quite as true as the other。

  Str。 Well; the philosopher may hereafter be more fully 

considered by

us; if we are disposed; but the Sophist must clearly not be 

allowed to

escape until we have had a good look at him。

  Theaet。 Very good。

  Str。 Since; then; we are agreed that some classes have a communion

with one another; and others not; and some have communion with a few

and others with many; and that there is no reason why some should

not have universal communion with all; let us now pursue the

enquiry; as the argument suggests; not in relation to all ideas;

lest the multitude of them should confuse us; but let us select a

few of those which are reckoned to be the principal ones; 

and consider

their several natures and their capacity of communion with one

another; in order that if we are not able to apprehend with perfect

clearness the notions of being and not…being; we may at 

least not fall

short in the consideration of them; so far as they come within the

scope of the present enquiry; if peradventure we may be allowed to

assert the reality of not…being; and yet escape unscathed。

  Theaet。 We must do so。

  Str。 The most important of all the genera are those which we were

just now mentioning…being and rest and motion。

  Theaet。 Yes; by far。

  Str。 And two of these are; as we affirm; incapable of 

communion with

one another。

  Theaet。 Quite incapable。

  Str。 Whereas being surely has communion with both of them; for

both of them are?

  Theaet。 Of course。

  Str。 That makes up three of them。

  Theaet。 To be sure。

  Str。 And each of them is other than the remaining two; but the

same with itself。

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 But then; what is the meaning of these two words; 〃same〃 and

〃other〃? Are they two new kinds other than the three; and yet always

of necessity intermingling with them; and are we to have five kinds
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