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sophist-第10章

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  Str。 You follow close at heels; Theaetetus。 For the right method;

I conceive; will be to call into our presence the dualistic

philosophers and to interrogate them。 〃Come;〃 we will say; 〃Ye; who

affirm that hot and cold or any other two principles are the 

universe;

what is this term which you apply to both of them; and what do you

mean when you say that both and each of them 'are'? How are we to

understand the word 'are'? Upon your view; are we to suppose that

there is a third principle over and above the other two…three in

all; and not two? For clearly you cannot say that one of the two

principles is being; and yet attribute being equally to both of

them; for; if you did; whichever of the two is identified with

being; will comprehend the other; and so they will be one and not

two。〃

  Theaet。 Very true。

  Str。 But perhaps you mean to give the name of 〃being〃 to both of

them together?

  Theaet。 Quite likely。

  Str。 〃Then; friends;〃 we shall reply to them; 〃the answer 

is plainly

that the two will still be resolved into one。〃

  Theaet。 Most true。

  Str。 〃Since then; we are in a difficulty; please to tell 

us what you

mean; when you speak of being; for there can be no doubt that you

always from the first understood your own meaning; whereas we once

thought that we understood you; but now we are in a great strait。

Please to begin by explaining this matter to us; and let us no

longer fancy that we understand you; when we entirely misunderstand

you。〃 There will be no impropriety in our demanding an answer to

this question; either of the dualists or of the pluralists?

  Theaet。 Certainly not。

  Str。 And what about the assertors of the oneness of the all…must

we not endeavour to ascertain from them what they mean by 〃being〃?

  Theaet。 By all means。

  Str。 Then let them answer this question: One; you say; alone is?

〃Yes;〃 they will reply。

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 And there is something which you call 〃being〃?

  Theaet。 〃Yes。〃

  Str。 And is being the same as one; and do you apply two 

names to the

same thing?

  Theaet。 What will be their answer; Stranger?

  Str。 It is clear; Theaetetus; that he who asserts the 

unity of being

will find a difficulty in answering this or any other question。

  Theaet。 Why so?

  Str。 To admit of two names; and to affirm that there is nothing

but unity; is surely ridiculous?

  Theaet。 Certainly。

  Str。 And equally irrational to admit that a name is anything?

  Theaet。 How so?

  Str。 To distinguish the name from the thing; implies duality。

  Theaet。 Yes。

  Str。 And yet he who identifies the name with the thing will be

compelled to say that it is the name of nothing; or if he 

says that it

is the name of something; even then the name will only be the name

of a name; and of nothing else。

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 And the one will turn out to be only one of one; and being

absolute unity; will represent a mere name。

  Theaet。 Certainly。

  Str。 And would they say that the whole is other than the one that

is; or the same with it?

  Theaet。 To be sure they would; and they actually say so。

  Str。 If being is a whole; as Parmenides sings;…



  Every way like unto the fullness of a well…rounded sphere;

  Evenly balanced from the centre on every side;

  And must needs be neither greater nor less in any way;

  Neither on this side nor on that…



then being has a centre and extremes; and; having these; must also

have parts。

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 Yet that which has parts may have the attribute of 

unity in all

the parts; and in this way being all and a whole; may be one?

  Theaet。 Certainly。

  Str。 But that of which this is the condition cannot be absolute

unity?

  Theaet。 Why not?

  Str。 Because; according to right reason; that which is truly one

must be affirmed to be absolutely indivisible。

  Theaet。 Certainly。

  Str。 But this indivisible; if made up of many parts; will 

contradict

reason。

  Theaet。 I understand。

  Str。 Shall we say that being is one and a whole; because it has

the attribute of unity? Or shall we say that being is not a whole at

all?

  Theaet。 That is a hard alternative to offer。

  Str。 Most true; for being; having in a certain sense the attribute

of one; is yet proved not to be the same as one; and the all is

therefore more than one。

  Theaet。 Yes。

  Str。 And yet if being be not a whole; through having the attribute

of unity; and there be such a thing as an absolute whole; being

lacks something of its own nature?

  Theaet。 Certainly。

  Str。 Upon this view; again; being; having a defect of being; will

become not…being?

  Theaet。 True。

  Str。 And; again; the all becomes more than one; for being and the

whole will each have their separate nature。

  Theaet。 Yes。

  Str。 But if the whole does not exist at all; all the previous

difficulties remain the same; and there will be the further

difficulty; that besides having no being; being can never have come

into being。

  Theaet。 Why so?

  Str。 Because that which comes into being always comes into being

as a whole; so that he who does not give whole a place among beings;

cannot speak either of essence or generation as existing。

  Theaet。 Yes; that certainly appears to be true。

  Str。 Again; how can that which is not a whole have any 

quantity? For

that which is of a certain quantity must necessarily be the whole of

that quantity。

  Theaet。 Exactly。

  Str。 And there will be innumerable other points; each of them

causing infinite trouble to him who says that being is either; one

or two。

  Theaet。 The difficulties which are dawning upon us prove this; for

one objection connects with another; and they are always involving

what has preceded in a greater and worse perplexity。

  Str。 We are far from having exhausted the more exact thinkers who

treat of being and not…being。 But let us be content to leave 

them; and

proceed to view those who speak less precisely; and we shall find as

the result of all; that the nature of being is quite as difficult to

comprehend as that of not…being。

  Theaet。 Then now we will go to the others。

  Str。 There appears to be a sort of war of Giants and Gods going on

amongst them; they are fighting with one another about the nature of

essence。

  Theaet。 How is that?

  Str。 Some of them are dragging down all things from heaven and

from the unseen to earth; and they literally grasp in their hands

rocks and oaks; of these they lay hold; and obstinately 

maintain; that

the things only which can be touched or handled have being 

or essence;

because they define being and body as one; and if any one else says

that what is not a body exists they altogether despise him; and will

hear of nothing but body。

  Theaet。 I have often met with such men; and terrible fellows they

are。

  Str。 And that is the reason why their opponents cautiously defend

themselves from above; out of an unseen world; mightily contending

that true essence consists of certain intelligible and incorporeal

ideas; the bodies of the materialists; which by them are 

maintained to

be the ver
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